Guns N’ Roses were in turmoil in 1995.

Three years of relentless touring had worn them down to the bone, and they found themselves under intese pressure from record company bosses to deliver a successful follow-up to 1991’s sprawling mega-hit Use Your Illusion.

It’s an album which would ultimately never materialize.

Instead, mercurial frontman W. Axl Rose would watch on in horror as “the most dangerous band in the world” imploded around him, and spent the remainder of the decade trying to bury his former best friends by re-inventing Guns N’ Roses into an experimental rock project which came to be known as “Nu-GNR”.

Textbook.

The Story Of Nu-GNR

The disintegration of Guns N’ Roses began in late 1994, when they started discussing the musical direction of their potential new album.

Slash

Axl had decided he would like incorporate elements of electronic/industrial rock into their sound, due to his current fascination with Nine Inch Nails.

None of the other members were keen on this idea, especially Slash.

The way Slash saw it, GN’R had already departed from their trademark sound on Use Your Illusion, and he wanted the next album to return to the raw rock of their 1987 debut Appetite For Destruction.

Slash

Rose is said to have berated his top-hatted friend for wanting to stay in familiar territory, and challenged him to improve his skill-set in order to keep GN’R at the cutting edge of 90s rock. It’s a heated exchange which drove a wedge between the pair before a single note had been played – and the situation was about to get a whole lot worse…

Slash

Slash believed he and Axl could get back on the same page if they started playing music again, so he signed a deal for GN’R to contribute a cover of The Rolling Stones classic Sympathy For The Devil to the soundtrack to the new Tom Cruise movie Interview With The Vampire.

Unfortunately, the whole concept seemed to go right over Axl’s head.

The frontman skipped the recording sessions entirely, and showed up to record his vocals long after his bandmates had already finished the rest of the work.

When Rose arrived he brought childhood friend Paul Huge (pronounces Hoo-gey) along for the ride, and at some point that evening he made a couple of decisions which would fuck up the future of Guns N’ Roses forever.

You see, Slash had laid down both rhythm and lead guitar sections for the track as GN’R had been operating without a rhythm guitarist since Rose fired Gilby Clarke at the end of the Use Your Illusion tour six months earlier. For some reason, Axl decided that his friend Paul Huge should replace the rhythm guitar parts (!), and then he quickly sent the finished version of the track to Geffen Records without letting his bandmates hear what he’d done (!!).

This proved to be final straw for Slash, who essentially “quiet quit” the band.

Slash

Axl’s version of events is different.

He claims that he only introduced Huge as a temporary measure, and didn’t think it would be a big deal.

He states that his bandmates were struggling to come up with ideas for a new permanent rhythm guitarist and he was simply trying to plug that gap on this record, without realizing that Slash had already done both guitar parts.

All of the other GN’R members have since trashed this theory in their subsequent autobiographies, with Slash, Duff, and Matt Sorum all saying that they were confused as to why Axl had fired the well-liked Gilby Clarke, and that he was making band decisions on his own by this point in the mid-90s.

And to make the situation worse, Slash’s rage towards Huge seemed somewhat personal.

Slash

GN’R held sporadic recording sessions over the next 18-months in an attempt to smooth things over, but it seemed as if the relationship between Axl and Slash had crossed the point of no return.

The final nail was hammered into the coffin of GN’R at the tail-end of 1996, when Axl Rose dropped a nuke on fans’ hopes of a reconciliation by sending this astonishing fax to MTV News:

Axl Rose

Yikes.

Having issued what he considered to be a “final written warning” to his bandmate, Rose was dismayed to find out that the public humiliation it caused left Slash no other choice but to hand in his resignation.

The GN’R journey was over, and the pair followed it up with four months of radio silence.

In early 1997, drummer Matt Sorum believed he could mend the broken relationship of Axl and Slash if he could fill the band’s problematic rhythm guitar role.

He took Axl to watch Cirque de Soleil, where former Nine Inch Nails guitarist Robin Finck was playing as part of the show.

Sorum explained that he’d been keeping tabs on Finck for a while, and he believed he’d make an excellent partner for Slash if they could persuade him to join the band when his current tour ended. He figured this was an easy win as Axl was already a big fan of Finck’s work with Nine Inch Nails, and Rose was reportedly very keen on the idea.

Matt Sorum

“He went to watch one of Robin’s solo gigs about a month later, and he came back and said “Wow! That’s our new guitar player!” I was so happy, because I thought we finally had a rhythm guitarist and we could get Slash back, but he said, “Nope, he’ll be playing lead.”

Axl’s pursuit of Finck is largely recognized as the first step in the creation of Nu-GNR, even though long-term members Duff McKagan and Matt Sorum were technically there at this point, because it kicked of a cataclysmic chain of events.

Sorum was the next person to be fired.

Duff McKagan said Sorum’s departure came as a result of the drummer growing frustrated that Axl hadn’t begun work on a new Guns N’ Roses album.

Duff McKagan

Soon after the row erupted in the studio, Paul Huge is alleged to have made a derogatory comment about the recently departed Slash, to which Sorum decided enough was enough.

Matt Sorum

“I jumped up and said “Hey, fucker! You don’t say anything about him when I’m in the room!”

The thing is, he’s one of Axl’s oldest friends, so me reacting like that just made things ten times worse between me and Axl. When I was walking out through the carpark, Huge followed me and told me to come back to the studio, and I said “I can’t, dickhead! He’s just fired me! I hope you feel good about breaking up one of the best rock bands in the fucking world!”

That man is a joke and I totally understand why Slash couldn’t stand to be around him.”

So now Axl found himself needing a new drummer, too.

He began holding sessions, and first up was Chris Vrenna (another ex-member of Nine Inch Nails).

Vrenna visited the studio for two-and-a-half weeks to get a feel for what it would be like to be part of Guns N’ Roses, but ultimately decided to reject the job.

Chris Vrenna Guns N' Roses

Instead of listening to Duff’s advice about fixing things with Slash and Matt, the fiery frontman leaned into his quest to hire replacements.

This drove a further wedge between Axl and Duff.

Rose made contact with both Dave Abbruzzese (Red Hot Chili Peppers), and Joey Castillo (Queens Of The Stone Age), but was unable to persuade them to leave their current bands. His stubbornness to back down led to the departure of long-time producer Mike Clink, and Duff McKagan saw this as the right time to leave Guns N’ Roses for good.

Duff McKagan
Why did Guns N' Roses split up

At this point, Axl Rose was starting from scratch.

In need of a new lead guitarist, bass player, and drummer, all that remained of the GN’R camp was long-time keyboardist Dizzy Reed, the problematic Paul Fucking Huge, and Rose himself.

Chris Vrenna Guns N' Roses

Fortunately for Rose, he received some good news a couple of weeks later.

Former Nine Inch Nails axeman Robin Finck had decided to accept his invitation to join Guns N’ Roses.

This appointment provided Rose with a new lease of life, and the move was quickly followed up by the capture of popular drummer Josh Freese (The Vandals), who then recommended his pal Tommy Stinson (The Replacements) to fill the vacant bass role.

Tommy Stinson Guns N' Roses

With a new line-up in place, it seemed Axl had somehow pulled things back from the brink.

The first version of Nu-GNR consisted of:

  • Axl Rose on vocals
  • Robin Finck on lead guitar
  • Paul Huge on rhythm guitar
  • Tommy Stinson on bass
  • Dizzy Reed on keyboards
  • Freese on drums

Things, things got off to a rocky start for the new band when Stinson clashed with… oh, you know who!

Tommy Stinson Guns N' Roses

Phew! Catastrophe averted!

Now that momentum was gathering, Rose informed Geffen Records that Nu-GNR were up and running.

Geffen were understandably delighted to hear this, as GNR still ranked amongst their best-selling artists even though they hadn’t released anything for several years at this point, so they handed Axl a $1 million cheque to incentivize him to create a brand new Guns N’ Roses album, and they promised him another $1 million bonus upon completion of the record.

Rose appeared motivated by their belief in him, so he signed a deal which would see his new band deliver a track for the soundtrack to the upcoming 1998 Robin Williams flick What Dreams May Come. That song was intended to be This I Love, a gut-wrenching ballad which Rose composed after the breakdown of his relationship with Stephanie Seymour in 1993.

However, Rose later backed out of the deal.

Why did this happen?

Well, Geffen had drafted in producer Youth to replace the departed Mike Clink, and he revealed that although the new band was ready to go, Rose himself was far from it.

Shortly after Axl pulled the plug on the soundtrack deal, Geffen announced they would be releasing a 20+ song collection of the band’s most famous hits recorded throughout their various world tours (Live Era 87-93).

This gave them a way to quench the fans’ appetite for new material, as well as providing an opportunity for Geffen to claw the millions they’d promised Axl.

What should’ve been a routine release proved to be a huge misfire, resulting in Axl wasting the vast majority of 1998 arguing back-and-forth with Slash and Duff (via lawyers) over the everything from the track-listing, to which particular shows would be used, and even tinkering with the vocals on some of the songs.

Unhappy with the distraction this caused, Robin Finck decided to quit.

Robin Finck Guns N' Roses

If you’re thinking this all sounds a bit too “mechanical”, you’d be correct.

Rose was so burned by the departures of Slash and Duff that “the world’s most dangerous band” was operating more like a corporation behind-the-scenes at this point. Axl would hand out fixed-term contracts to his musicians, and was very much the CEO.

He already had a collection of new songs ready for the upcoming GN’R album, and the daily life of his bandmates involved locking themselves inside a high-tech recording studio (without him) to see if they could continually improve the music for each of these songs, as well as forwarding Rose any new ideas they came up with along the way.

He was trying to make the “perfect” album, and it resulted in a stockpile of CDs containing over 100 gigabytes of key changes, riffs, and drum loops, which Rose would sift through at his Malibu home and decide which ones he felt had the most potential.

Rose would occasionally make an unannounced appearance at the studio in order to keep his new recruits on their toes, but mostly he would appear via video link.

The safety of this business-like structure seemed to be less about giving Axl control and more about creating the safety net he felt he needed at this point in time, likely as a response to the emotional trauma he experienced when his former bandmates (in his view) walked out on him.

In retrospect, Finck’s departure was the perfect opportunity for Rose to patch things up with Slash, Duff, and Matt in early 1999, but instead he doubled down by announcing their would be a brand new lead guitarist joining the band in a few weeks, and he signed another movie deal.

This time he promise to submit a brand new GN’R song to be used on the soundtrack of the upcoming Arnold Schwarzenegger movie End Of Days.

And to everybody’s surprise, he actually did it!

Dropping in November 1999, the industrial-edged Oh My God became Axl’s first new material in 5 years, and it gave long-suffering GN’R fans their first chance to hear a) Rose’s new musical direction, and b) how the band sounded.

The response was mixed.

Several rock outlets were full of praise for Rose’s bravery in expanding his sound, but the majority of the band’s fanbase felt it was too far removed from the classic GN’R sound to be considered anything more than an Axl Rose solo project.

A couple of weeks later, Rose finally landed that new lead guitarist…

JOSH FREESE CHINESE DEMOCRACY

For those unfamiliar with Buckethead, this is a guitar virtuoso the likes of which GN’R had never seen.

Yes, we all love Slash and Izzy (and Robin Finck), but Buckethead is on another level entirely.

He’s one of the few musicians who could legitimately lay claim to the moniker if “the best guitarist on the planet”, so the fact that Axl had pulled off such a coup made the rock media sit up and take notice.

The singer was reportedly obsessed with his new axeman’s quirky personality as much as his fretboard skills.

You see, the slender 6″6 shredder concealed his identity by wearing an emotionless white mask topped off with an upturned KFC bucket. He chose to remain silent at all times, communicating via a series of simplistic hand gestures and awkward head tilts, and despite giving off serious Michael Myers vibes he was obsessed with Disney.

Seriously.

All of these shenanigans only added to Axl’s infatuation, and he flew his new recruit to the famous Florida theme park where it is rumoured he signed his GN’R contract inside the Haunted Mansion.

In true Guns style, though, the exceptional news of Buckethead’s arrival was immediately followed by a sucker-punch, as key member Josh Freese (the man who had helped Axl assemble much of the Nu-GNR line-up and wrote the melody for the title track of the new album) had decided not to renew his GN’R contract.

Unfortunately, Freese’s reasons sounded all too familiar…

JOSH FREESE CHINESE DEMOCRACY

The very next week, Freese and Billy Howerdel formed A Perfect Circle.

The pair met while Howerdel was working as a Pro Tools engineer at the GN’R studio, and their new band immediately landed a Summer ’99 support slot alongside none other than Nine Inch Nails, featuring recent GN’R alumni Robin Finck.

Unlike the departures in the old band, however, Josh left on incredibly good terms with Rose.

Making sure not to leave the frontman in the lurch, he wrote a list of potential replacements who he felt could continue his work, and sitting at the top of that list was former Primus drummer Brian “Brain” Mantia, who also happened to be one of Buckethead’s best friends.

BRAIN GNR

The problematic Paul Huge was still lurking in the background at this point, but his role diminished further when Rose made the surprise announcement that Nine Inch Nails guitarist Robin Finck would be returning to the GN’R fold to create a formidable partnership with Buckethead.

Riding high on the crest of this wave, things got really crazy…

Yep, Axl made a sensational attempt to re-hire Izzy Stradlin!

You read that correctly.

Despite famously abandoning GN’R during the throes of their hellacious Use Your Illusion tour back in 1992, Stradlin had managed to remain close friends with Rose. Fully aware that fans often reference Izzy’s departure as “the beginning of the end” for the classic line-up, Axl was keen to show he meant business by luring his old pal back into the group.

Unfortunately, Stradlin declined the invitation.

izzy stradlin

The Stradlin mis-step aside, things were looking pretty good for Nu-GNR.

Not only did Axl finally finally have the steady line-up he craved, it was a unit of insanely talented musicians, which consisted of:

  • Axl Rose on vocals
  • Buckethead and Robin Finck sharing guitar duties
  • Tommy Stinson on bass
  • Dizzy Reed on keyboards
  • Brian Brain Mantia on drums
Axl Rose Gilby Clarke Cathouse 2000

After disappearing from the public eye in early 1994, Rose had become an expert at conceling his identiy on nights out.

So much so, in fact, that ex-Gunner Gilby Clarke didn’t recognize him at one of his gigs!

Gilby Clarke

The frontman spent about half an hour catching up with Clarke, and to the surprise of everyone in attendance he climbed on stage to perform Dead Flowers (the song he provided back vocals to on Clarke’s 1994 album Pawnshop Guitars).

It was his first public appearance and performance in several years.

Guns N' Roses Rock In Rio 3 story

All the hiring, firing, and re-hiring seemed to be over, and Axl’s new incarnation of Guns N’ Roses were finally ready to hit the road.

He announced that they would return at Rock In Rio III.

This is a music festival which attracts over 200,000 fans, so the stage (and the pressure) doesn’t really get any bigger. With that in mind, Rose put together a hastily-prepared warm-up gig at the House of Blues (Las Vegas) to shake off the ring rust.

The warm-up gig would go down in history as a pivotal moment in GN’R lore, as it marked the first ever live performance of so-called “Nu-GNR”.

And with that, the eagle had landed.

A sold out crowd witnessed the birth of Axl’s “Frankenstein-like” reincarnation of Guns N’ Roses, as they tore through the band’s most famous hits and even debuted a handful of new songs. It was such a secretive gig that there was actually no footage of it – anywhere! – and the general consensus is that they absolutely rocked the joint.

Holy shit, maybe this is possible then?

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Two weeks later and they were in Rio.

The media were out in force, and their primary objective was to capture the first glimpses of a newly-returned Axl Rose.

Perhaps the biggest testament I can give to describe how big of a star Rose was in the 90s (and the size of the hole he left in the rock world in particular) is to point out that the remainder of the festival’s line-up (which included the likes of Elton John, Britney Spears, and Foo Fighters) were able to freely explore the beaches of Rio without being hassled by paparazzi.

Geffen execs worried that this sudden burst of attention may trigger one of his famous meltdowns (which would’ve only made it even bigger news), but instead Rose appeared relaxed and happy, posing for photographs and joking with reporters, seemingly amused by their fascination with him.

Axl Rose at Rock In Rio 2001

Looking back, what’s most interesting about this “wilderness years” era is that Axl had only been gone for six years.

Yes, that’s all it was.

Any GN’R fan who was around during this time will tell you that it felt like significantly longer.

Indeed, several other artists have taken this length of time out of the limelight in recent years (e.g. Beyonce’s six year hiatus between 2016-2022), but the crazy world of Axl Rose was such that it seemed like decades had passed since the last time we saw him.

(Of course, when I say he was “gone” I mean literally gone. That’s not necessarily how people would do it today, because artists can still remain somewhat active via social media, whereas Rose went from being the industry’s biggest rock star to disappearing off the face of the Earth.)

rock in rio guns n roses

As showtime approached in Rio, the atmosphere was a delicate mixture of excitement and dread.

  • Will Axl show up?
  • Did he get fat and bald?
  • Who the fuck is Buckethead?
  • How can Slash not be in the band?

We wanted all of these questions (and several more) to be answered, and you could feel a palpable sense of relief when the first few notes of Welcome To The Jungle’s staccato riff began cutting through the Brazilian skyline.

Holy shit, he’s back!

A few moments later, Axl announced his return via a face-melting “Do you know where the fuck you are?” and Rio lost it’s collective shit.

It’s a note which seemed to go on… and on…and on… somehow capturing five years of frustration into eight simple words.

His new band went on to play a mostly great two-and-a-half hour set. Read our review of it here.

By the end of the evening it appeared that, against all odds, Axl’s big comeback had been everything he could’ve possibly hoped for and then some – and perhaps indicative of the lack of quality in the hard rock scene at the time, he he’d managed to float back to the top of the rock table with just one stellar performance.

Guns N' Roses Chinese Demoncracy

Fuck.

This being Guns N’ Roses, things didn’t run smoothly for very long.

In the aftermath of the glowing reviews for their Rio performance the band had decided to head out on a world tour starting in South America, but Axl decided to pull the plug at the last possible moment.

Now, if he had released a statement saying that the Rio show took a toll on his voice and he needed some additional recovery time I’m sure most fans would’ve accepted this reason, right? After all, he hadn’t performed in over six years!

Sadly he didn’t do that, he just cancelled the tour and went back home.

Oh, and this break ended up lasting 18-months!

Nu GNR

After teasing their comeback with such a well-received show, this period of inactivity caused numerous tensions within the band.

Most notably for Buckethead, who struggled to deal with Geffen executives and had several clashes with no-nonsense producer Roy Thomas Baker.

Fortunately, Axl managed to save the day.

Wait… a chicken coup?!

Rose stayed true to the promise he made Buckethead, despite the fact that his voice hadn’t fully recovered from the Rio performance, by scheduling a small tour for the latter half of 2001.

Unfortunately, the Kentucky Fried Shredder was said to have been so deeply hurt by the Rose’s rollicking he went AWOL on the eve of the first show, forcing the cancellation of the entire tour.

To make matters worse, the guitarist never contacted anyone in the GN’R camp to inform them of his absence, and then he uploaded a cryptic message to his personal website in which he claimed to have “experienced a sudden mystery illness”.

The frustration of having to cancel his hastily assembled tour put Axl on the warpath, and during the two months Buckethead remained AWOL he informed Geffen that he would not allow recently dismissed producer Roy Thomas Baker to return, then he fired long-time manager Tom Zutaut, and even his old mate Paul Fucking Huge (finally!).

He never fully trusted Buckethead beyond this point, and he hired Richard Fortus as the band’s third guitarist. Introducing an accomplished and established guitarist like Fortus was a smart move, and Rose knew it could act as a “safety net” if Buckethead decided to pull this kind of trick again.

Guns N' Roses new line-up at the MTV VMA's 2002

Axl was keen to get to work upon Buckethead’s return.

He still hadn’t fully healed from Rio (now almost 18-months ago) but he felt there was no more time to waste, so he agreed for Nu-GNR to make a special guest appearance at the end of the 2002 MTV Video Music Awards.

It’s a performance which has gone down in history for all the wrong reasons.

Rose appeared out of breathe, out of tune, and out of sync with everything that was going on around him. There are several moments where you can hear the vocal chord damage which occurred at Rio (most likely the first note of it), and the Mickey Mouse-esque tone which would eventually dog him throughout his later years.

Everybody as pre-occupied with whether the new band could play the old material, but the twist nobody expected is that Axl himself would become the weak link in what was otherwise a stellar musical performance!

It was really quite remarkable seeing Buckethead casually cruise through Slash’s complex Paradise City outro as if it were a beginner-level guitar track, but it’s a performance that will ultimately be remembered as a failure due to Rose.

Guns N' Roses at the MTV VMA 2002

Strangely, it was the new band who copped the most flack from fans.

This was largely down to the shock of expecting to see the classic GN’R line-up onstage, because Axl had done a terrible job of keeping the music world updated on what was going on behind closed doors. You can only imagine the shock and awe which befell the casual viewing audience of MTV as Rose appeared onstage sporting an oversized NFL jersey, fucking cornrows, and what appeared to be a fresh batch of botox, versus the Axl Rose that departed the rock scene eight years earlier!

The frontman’s insistence that each member of the new band retain their trademark styles seemed to emphasize the issue, by giving Nu-GNR a bit of a “freak show” element which Rose loved but fans hated.

The punk get-up of Tommy Stinson stood out like a sore thumb next to the gothic styling of Robin Finck and Buckethead’s serial killer chic, and it was just too far removed from the stripped-back coolness of the original GN’R line-up for most fans to stomach.

Guns N' Roses blame record company for lack of promotion on Chinese Democracy

Fans who didn’t desert them after the MTV disaster were rewarded with some more trademark GN’R ups-and-downs.

To Axl’s credit he didn’t shy away from the negative press he received, and headed out on a world tour (his first since 1993) in an attempt to show fans that the just caught him ona bad day.

It started off well, too, with several European dates garnering very positive feedback. The band’s performance at Leeds Festival in the UK was one of the highlights of this tour, and the fact that it was also beamed out to a large TV audience did a lot to restore casual fans’ faith in Rose.

(… not MTV large, but still!)

New rhythm guitarist Richard Fortus was a standout performer during this run of shows. Undoubtely skilled enough to play lead, Axl’s decision to have him operating behind the pairing of Buckethead and Finck worked remarkably well, turning Nu-GNR’s rhythm section into a real wall of noise, and cementing their status as one of the loudest bands on the planet!

Of course, there were also a few hiccups, most notably upon their return to US soil, as a gig was cancelled just an hour (!!) before its schedule start time, kicking off a riot which saw 9,000 “fans” destroy the arena and its surrounding area.

The organizers blamed Rose, but he passed the buck straight back.

Axl Rose

Original Gunners Slash and Duff were less than impressed to see a repeat of the behaviour which they say caused GN’R to take the stage hours after their scheduled start times on numerous occasions during their tumultuous Use Your Illusion world tour of 1991-93, and they took to the media to lay into Rose:

Duff McKagan
Slash

News of the riot put a dampener on what had otherwise been a great tour, and the remaining few shows in the US were played in front of half-empty arenas as fans once again began to doubt Rose’s mental state.

However, a string of fine performances helped to balance the ship, and the final leg of this tour saw Nu-GNR pack out Madison Square Garden for an absolute rocker of a concert.

You know what’s coming, right?

Yes, another Axl outburst was just around the corner…

This time he decided to no-show in Philadelphia, kick-starting a second riot which resulted in the Geffen Records and concert organizers pulling the plug on the remainder of this tour and all shows which had been scheduled for the following year.

Ouch!

Now you may be wondering, what on Earth was going through the minds of the Nu-GNR members now that they were stuck in the middle of Axl’s erratic behaviour on a world tour?

Interestingly, drummer Brain fucking loved it!

BRAIN GNR
Axl Rose Nu-GNR

The riots and subsequent cancellation of all their 2003 dates meant that Nu-GNR rolled into 2004 having to once again make up for lost ground.

Axl decided to hold off on booking another world tour because he felt betrayed that fans still hadn’t accepted his new version of Guns N’ Roses some five years after they first returned to the rock scene.

He pointed out that fans were quick to welcome the likes of Matt Sorum (who replaced drummer Steven Adler in 1990) and Gilby Clarke (who replaced Izzy Stradlin in 1992), but weren’t affording his new guys the same level of acceptance.

Of course, the key difference in both of those situations is that GN’R were an active force at the time. For example, shortly after Sorum’s arrival they released the sprawling User Your Illusion box-set and then he produced their platinum-selling Live In Tokyo DVD, meanwhile Clarke featured heavily in that DVD and then played on covers album “The Spaghetti Incident?” in 1993.

This is in stark contrast to the new version of Guns N’ Roses, where several members had come and gone without the release of any new material at all, and it led to fans dismissing them as nothing more than “Axl’s hired Guns”.

Quite simply, he’d fucked it up.

Buckethead during his Guns N' Roses days

Deflated by another year of inactivity, Buckethead decided to quit.

He didn’t offer an explanation or a proper resignation, instead just disappearing from rehearsals and cutting off contact.

When Geffen brought in lawyers to question him on why he had broken his GN’R contract, Buckethead communicated via a awkward head movements and a sock puppet which was placed on his left hand (!).

This time there would be no going back, as Axl decided to cut ties and offer his position to established axeman Ron “Bumblefoot” Thal, a highly accomplished shredder who had previously worked with Joe Satriani.

Unsurprisingly, Thal declined.

Bumblefoot Ron Thal Guns N' Roses
Velvet Revolver 2004

Old GN’R members Slash, Duff, and Matt Sorum returned to the rock scene in early 2004.

After remaining quiet (for the most part) since leaving the GN’R circus in 1996, they had now decided to create a “supergroup” with former Stone Temple Pilots frontman Scott Weiland.

The new band would be named Velvet Revolver, and their commitment to playing straight-ahead rock was an instant hit with disgruntled GN’R fans who felt alienated by Axl.

Their debut album reached the Top 10 in several countries, catapulting VR into the top tier of rock acts.

Their success appeared to irk Rose, and during a rare television appearance in early 2005 he snapped that Slash had stolen material which he originally submitted for the never-made Guns N’ Roses album of 1996. That song would be Fall To Pieces, an epic ballad which features some of Slash’s best work to date.

Was this true?

Well, Slash neither confirmed nor denied Rose’s accusations, but Scott Weiland decided it was time to go on the offensive.

Scott Weiland: “Get in the ring? More like go to the gym, motherfucker! Or if you prefer, go get a new hairstyle you botox-faced, wig-wearin’ fuck! You’re nothing more than a frightened little man who once believed he was king, but unfortunately now you’re just a memory of the asshole you used to be!”

Ouch!

Sensing how much publicity a war of words between the two bands could produce, Weiland continued to mock the frontman by (hilariously) dressing up as Rose for a Halloween concert. The photograph also shows Slash appearing to take an unprovoked shot at Buckethead, which caused some GN’R fans to wonder whether Slash was really as innocent in the GN’R implosion as first thought, but in the years which followed he has always maintained that he meant no offence.

Velvet Revolver dresses as Guns N' Roses for Halloween

Rose was of the opinion that his old bandmates were now trying to use his name to cement their own status, so he decided to ignore the jibes entirely.

However, it was clear by mid-2005 that his Nu-GNR project had become an industry joke.

Need we wonder why?

  • The stop-start nature of their schedule.
  • The ever-changing line-up.
  • A departure from the classic GN’R sound.
  • The ever-changing line-up.
  • The hirings and firings of a long line of producers.
  • No new fucking album.

The sad fact is that people were no longer curious about Axl’s grand vision for GN’R, and now it was cooler to mock it.

Case in point, Rose had to issue a cease-and-desist order to Californian punk rockers The Offspring after they announced plans to name their seventh album Chinese Democracy, and cheekily led the marketing campaign with a note that read, “Hey Axl, you snooze you lose!”

Guns N' Roses Chinese Democracy

Then the plot thickened considerably…

As Velvet Revolver struggled to adapt to their second shot at fame, frontman Scott Weiland’s erratic behaviour started becoming a little too much for his bandmates to handle.

His shots at Rose in particular didn’t sit well with top-hatted guitarist Slash, who reportedly told Weiland to lay off Axl before he ruins any chance of them fixing their already mangled relationship.

During this time, Slash is said to have made a surprise stop at Axl’s house.

Slash

Fucking WHAT?!

You read that correctly.

Axl’s assistant Beta Lebeis claims that Slash was very drunk, and he stood at the front door for about 15-minutes ranting about the in-fighting which was occurring in Velvet Revolver, and then said he wanted nothing more than to patch things up with Axl so the old band could get back together again.

When Rose was informed Slash’s impromptu visit he threw the note away.

Interestingly, a few years later Scott Weiland decided to issue a public apology to Axl Rose.

Scott Weiland: “I guess it’s ironic that my recently ex-bandmates are regurgitating the same stories about me that they once did with Axl Rose. I heard all the crazy stories from them, where the singer was demonized, and I used to think Axl must’ve been such a troll to work with but having been through this myself let’s just say I’ve got an entirely different opinion of him today.”

The story of Nu-GNR

The pressure of seeing his ex-bandmates riding high lit a fire under Rose.

Throughout 2006-2007 he found found a level of consistency which many thought would never return, nd Nu-GNR became one of the world’s most solid live acts.

Highlight included a headline slot at Rock Am Ring 2006 (see above) which is widely regarded as Nu-GNR’s best show, and a stomping performance at Download Festival 2006 where Axl rolled back the years and won over an incredibly sceptical UK crowd with a great performance. Hell, he even managed to re-introduce ex-Gunner Izzy Stradlin back into the band for a few guest appearances!

The Nu-GNR line-up also underwent a couple of notable changes.

First up, Axl finally secured the services of long-term target Ron “Bumblefoot” Thal to fill the void left by Buckethead., This brought tne three-guitarists feature back into GN’R, with Richard Fortus settling back into a support position.

Speaking of Fortus, he recommended Axl draft in the services of Frank Ferrer when long-time drummer Brain announced that he would be going on paternity leave for the birth of his first child (a move which was initially expected to be temporary, but ultimately became permanent).

Things didn’t go too smoothly for the new guys at first, especially Thal.

Bumblefoot Ron Thal Guns N' Roses

The band were flying high at this point, and in late 2007 Axl decided to make a guest appearance on three tracks to be featured on a solo album from his long-time pal Sebastian Bach (Skid Row).

This would mark his first official new music since dropping Oh My God back in 1999.

Delighted with the positive feedback he received for his performance on all three of Bach’s tracks, a newly-invigorated Rose agreed to gift a brand new GN’R song titled Shacklers Revenge to the soundtrack of the upcoming video game Rock Band, and another brand new song titled If The World to the Leonardo DiCaprio spy thriller Body Of Lies.

Holy fuck, fans were in disbelief at this burst of activity!

And as they waited with baited breath for the inevitable let-down (because you know the routine by now), the unthinkable happened… HE DROPPED THE ALBUM.

Chinese Democracy release date

Chinese Democracy was finally here, arriving on a rainy November 23rd, 2008.

An album 14-years and $13 million in the making, it’s the first (and only) album from Nu-GNR.

So what gives?

Well, the first things you’ll notice about the album is that Axl was correct in his 1995 prediction that he wanted to move away from the old-school GN’R sound and into more experimental territory.

Because while Appetite For Destruction was undeniably raw, and Use Your Illusion captured a band which had been given the freedom of the studio to grow, this album sounds like it’s been made with the most expensive everything and then put through endless mixes, re-mixes, and alternate mixes to find the version which could get closest to the sound that Rose was hearing in his own head.

As expected for such a polarizing record, it was greeted with some very mixed reviews; certain outlets praising Axl for his refusal to live on former glories, and others berating him for it.

To its credit, the album does produce some sublime moments.

These include a tear-jerking solo from Robin Finck on standout ballad This I Love (the same track which was earmarked for a movie soundtrack some ten years earlier), and Rose’s impressive vocal gymnastics on both Street Of Dreams (formerly known as The Blues) and If The World.

Rose made sure that every member of the current Nu-GNR was able to play on the record, while retaining the drum arrangements first laid out by drummer Josh Freese and several face-melting guitar solos from the departed Buckethead.

The most notable of these is a shred-tastic solo on the exhilarating There Was A Time, which sets the whole record on fire and sets the stage for what will go down as the best vocal performance of Axl Rose’s career.

Fuck, even Slash weighed in on it.

Slash
Why did Axl Rose refuse to promote Chinese Democracy?

Despite seeming to have all the momentum in the world, Axl was far from happy.

He felt majorly pissed that Geffen/Interscope had denied his request for an extra two weeks in order to finetune Chinese Democracy’s artwork, and he retaliated by refusing to take part in any promotional work.

Yep, that meant the most anticipated rock album of the last 25 years (maybe ever) would come and go without any interviews, public appearance, or music videos!

If that’s not classic Axl, then I don’t know what is. This temper tantrum caused six months of inactivity at the worst possible time for Nu-GNR, and in the absence of a world tour to support the long-awaited new album, guitarist Robin Finck decided to he’d had enough.

Axl Rose
Axl Rose

Once Axl snapped out of his funk, he set out on a world tour in support of Chinese Democracy.

In light of Finck’s departure he wanted to keep the band’s now-familiar three-guitar approach, so he was able to recruit DJ Ashba.

Ashba brought a sense of youthful excitement to the project, having never really experienced the crazy heights of Guns N’ Roses, and his enthusiasm seemed to rub off on seasoned veteran Rose, who blasted through the early part of the tour with a real fire in his belly, and a determination to prove the quality of his new material via great live performances.

It was during this time that he famously no-showed his own induction to the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.

(Seriously, I’ve run out of evens to can’t!)

Rose’s reason for skipping what many musicians would consider a career highlight is that he believes those in charge of the Hall shouldn’t be able to dictate who is worthy and who is not, because they’ve never truly lived the life or endured the struggle, and he considers that the “real” rock and roll hall of fame is your own record collection, not what some guy in a suit tells you.

This was also a spectacular show of solidarity to his current Nu-GNR bandmates, as he was aware the Hall hoped to reunite the old band live onstage.

Tommy Stinson Guns N' Roses

This version of the band would tour relentlessly for the next four years (the longest of Axl’s career).

It’s a run which featured several great shows, but the vocal chord damage which he suffered over a decade ago started to become more and more devastating towards the tail-end of the tour, and when their money-spinning residency in Las Vegas drew to a close it spelled doom for Nu-GNR.

DJ Ashba Guns N' Roses

Axl decided he would take some well-deserved time off in order to let his voice heal.

He had plans of releasing a second and third album of the Chinese Democracy material, but as he got his teeth stuck into that project he received a triple-whammy of bad news which killed Nu-GNR.

First, long-time bassist Tommy Stinson (a member since 1999!) had decided that it was time to call it a day. Then, lead guitarist Ron “Bumblefoot” Thal told Rose he wanted to pursue his side project Art Of Anarchy for the next couple of years. And finally, Ashba’s other band Sixx A.M. achieved chart success so he left to focus on that full-time.

Suddenly the GN’R camp was reduced to just Axl Rose, Richard Fortus, drummer Frank Ferrer, and of course keyboardist Dizzy Reed (who was here the whole time!).

All seemed lost.

Fans weren’t exactly happy at the prospect of watching Axl start all over again, and their curiosity for Chinese Democracy had long since waned. They now knew that there wouldn’t be a second or third instalments of new material, and they heled very little hope that Rose would ever get past his stubborn refusal to re-unite the old band.

Of course ,the one thing you’ve never been able to do with Axl Rose is predict what he’s gonna do next…

Guns N' Roses reunion concert

Rumours of a classic GN’R re-union were always aplenty, but something felt different in February 2015.

It was every-fucking-where.

And when the moment all fans had been craving (but never truly expecting) finally happened, a ot of fans simply couldn’t believe it.

Slash had posted on his Instagram page that he was returning to Guns N’ Roses, and that the band would be playing the upcoming Coachella festival. Better still, he was bringing Duff McKagan back as well!

Holy flaps!

Nu-GNR members Frank Ferrer and Richard Fortus would remain in the fold to create a “hybrid” of classic GN’R and Nu-GNR. The story is that Izzy Stradlin wasn’t happy with the financial deal he was offered to come back on a full-time basis, whereas Rose wasn’t keen on re-hiring Steven Adler or Matt Sorum, and he wanted to reward his long-time bandmates for their loyalty.

He also hired keyboardist and backing vocalist Melissa Reese (on the recommendation of former drummer Brain), to add thickness to the vocals and give him a way around some of the issues he’d been experiencing in recent years.

True to the chaotic style of Guns N’ Roses, they announced that their first show would take place at the famous Troubadour Club in Los Angeles on April 1st, 2016.

Yep, it’s April fucking Fools Day!

Is Axl truly crazy enough to wind up his fans about reuniting the classic Guns line-up only to play the April Fools prank to end all April Fools pranks?

Fans didn’t really know, and that danger is precisely what made GN’R so special, isn’t it?

Guns N' Roses reunion at The Troubadour

It was 100% real.

Better yet, the band absolutely rocked the joint and looked visibly happy on stage together, creating an electric atmosphere similar to that which occurred at Rock In Rio III some 15 years earlier.

They originally pencilled in just 10 dates around the U.S. to test the waters, but this was continually expanded until it became a fully-fledged world tour (ironically dubbed “Not In This Lifetime”, a reference to what a furious 2009 version of Axl told a journalist who asked if he’d ever perform with Slash again).

The band’s Not In This Lifetime Tour went on to become one of the most lucrative world tours of all time. To give you an idea how lucrative, a 2017 “rich list” showed that Guns N’ Roses made more money than Belgium!

They have remained a functional unit ever since, mainly focusing their efforts on touring and playing parts of the world where GN’R never got to play during their prime. When lockdown struck in 2020 Slash and Duff went into the studio and re-worked new versions of Chinese Democracy outtakes Perhaps, Absurd (formerly known as Silkworms), The General, and a Slash-tastic version of Hardskool.

Where they go from here is entirely up to them, but I’m sure you’ll that the story of Nu-GNR was a pretty cool read!


One response to “The Crazy Story Of Axl Rose’s Failed “Nu-GNR” Project”

  1. […] sprawling Use Your Illusion sounded very different to Appetite For Destruction, any material which Nu-GNR would go on to release would represent where his musical tastes are now, not then, and this would […]

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